{"id":893,"date":"2022-02-24T19:51:55","date_gmt":"2022-02-24T22:51:55","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/numbers-magic.com\/?p=893"},"modified":"2026-02-01T02:45:03","modified_gmt":"2026-02-01T05:45:03","slug":"crazy-representations-of-natural-numbers-the-10958-problem","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/numbers-magic.com\/?p=893","title":{"rendered":"Crazy Representations of Natural Numbers \u2013 The 10958 Problem"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>In 2013-2014, author (<a href=\"http:\/\/bit.ly\/2wnZq6g\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">click here<\/a>) wrote natural numbers in increasing and decreasing orders of 1 to 9 using only&nbsp;<strong>basic operations<\/strong>. See below some examples:<img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/inderjtaneja.files.wordpress.com\/2018\/11\/crazy-2.png?w=712\" alt=\"crazy-2\" srcset=\"https:\/\/inderjtaneja.files.wordpress.com\/2018\/11\/crazy-2.png?w=712 712w, https:\/\/inderjtaneja.files.wordpress.com\/2018\/11\/crazy-2.png?w=1424 1424w, https:\/\/inderjtaneja.files.wordpress.com\/2018\/11\/crazy-2.png?w=150 150w, https:\/\/inderjtaneja.files.wordpress.com\/2018\/11\/crazy-2.png?w=300 300w, https:\/\/inderjtaneja.files.wordpress.com\/2018\/11\/crazy-2.png?w=768 768w, https:\/\/inderjtaneja.files.wordpress.com\/2018\/11\/crazy-2.png?w=1024 1024w\"><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>This work has been considered as&nbsp;<strong>\u201cImprobable Research\u201d<\/strong>. For details see the links:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>(i)&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"http:\/\/www.improbable.com\/2013\/02\/12\/lots-of-numbers-plain-and-almost-simple\/\">http:\/\/www.improbable.com\/2013\/02\/12\/lots-of-numbers-plain-and-almost-simple\/<\/a>;(ii)&nbsp;<a href=\"http:\/\/www.improbable.com\/2013\/06\/08\/lots-more-numbers-deemed-crazy-sequential\/\">http:\/\/www.improbable.com\/2013\/06\/08\/lots-more-numbers-deemed-crazy-sequential\/<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-justify\">Also refer&nbsp;<a href=\"http:\/\/nebusresearch.wordpress.com\/2013\/02\/17\/counting-to-52\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Nebus 1<\/a>,&nbsp;<a href=\"http:\/\/nebusresearch.wordpress.com\/2013\/06\/10\/counting-from-52-to-11108\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Nebus 2<\/a>&nbsp; for more comments. We observe that the number&nbsp;<strong>10958<\/strong>&nbsp;is the only number among 0 to 11111 that is not possible to write in terms of 1 to 9 in the increasing case. We need to use extra operations such as&nbsp;<strong>square-root<\/strong>&nbsp;and\/or&nbsp;<strong>factorial<\/strong>&nbsp;to write it. See below:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong>10958<\/strong>:=1+2+3!!+(-4+5!+6-7)*89.<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-justify\">Numberphile produced two videos on YouTube using&nbsp;<strong>concatenation<\/strong>&nbsp;as an extra operation to bring representation of number 10958 in increasing order. See below both the links:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>(i)&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=-ruC5A9EzzE\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">The 10,958 Problem<\/a>&nbsp;\u2013 Numberphile \u2013 M. Parker; (<strong>2.970.174<\/strong>&nbsp;&nbsp;views \u2013 till&nbsp; 22.10.21)<br>(ii)&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=pasyRUj7UwM\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">A 10,958 Solution<\/a>&nbsp;\u2013 Numberphile \u2013 M. Parker. (<strong>1.552.751<\/strong>&nbsp;views- till 22.10.21)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>RUSSIAN TRANSLATIONS<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>(i)&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=-ruC5A9EzzE\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">The 10,958 Problem<\/a>&nbsp;\u2013 Numberphile \u2013 M. Parker; (<strong>6.010.701&nbsp;<\/strong>views \u2013 till 22.10.21)<br>(ii)&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=pasyRUj7UwM\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">A 10,958 Solution<\/a>&nbsp;\u2013 Numberphile \u2013 M. Parker. (<strong>1.110.973<\/strong>&nbsp;views- till 22.10.21)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Total views:&nbsp;<strong>11.644.599<\/strong>&nbsp;till 22.10.21<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading\">ALSO THIS NUMBER HAS BECOME A QUESTION OF DISCUSSION AT VARIOUS WEB-SITES. SEE THE LINKS BELOW:<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<ol class=\"wp-block-list\"><li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.primepuzzles.net\/puzzles\/puzz_864.htm\">https:\/\/www.primepuzzles.net\/puzzles\/puzz_864.htm<\/a>;<\/li><li>&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.futilitycloset.com\/?s=10958\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">https:\/\/www.futilitycloset.com\/?s=10958<\/a>;<\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/puzzling.stackexchange.com\/questions\/51129\/the-10-958-problem\">https:\/\/puzzling.stackexchange.com\/questions\/51129\/the-10-958-problem<\/a>;<\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/puzzling.stackexchange.com\/questions\/47923\/rendering-the-number-10-958-with-the-string-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9\">https:\/\/puzzling.stackexchange.com\/questions\/47923\/rendering-the-number-10-958-with-the-string-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9<\/a>;<\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.reddit.com\/r\/mathematics\/comments\/6hooq2\/the_10958_problem\/\">https:\/\/www.reddit.com\/r\/mathematics\/comments\/6hooq2\/the_10958_problem\/<\/a>;<\/li><li><a href=\"http:\/\/digg.com\/video\/10958-math-problem\">http:\/\/digg.com\/video\/10958-math-problem<\/a>;<\/li><li>&nbsp;<a href=\"http:\/\/wssrmnn.net\/index.php\/2017\/04\/20\/the-10958-problem\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">http:\/\/wssrmnn.net\/index.php\/2017\/04\/20\/the-10958-problem<\/a>;<\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/aap03102\/status\/854319054173220864\">https:\/\/twitter.com\/aap03102\/status\/854319054173220864<\/a>;<\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/inderjtaneja.com\/2017\/12\/02\/10958-problem-1-5-millions-views\">https:\/\/inderjtaneja.com\/2017\/12\/02\/10958-problem-1-5-millions-views<\/a>.<\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/github.com\/nvalis\/10958\">https:\/\/github.com\/nvalis\/10958<\/a>;<\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/results?search_query=10958\">https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/results?search_query=10958<\/a>;<\/li><li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=yCMvekktTa0\">https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=yCMvekktTa0<\/a>.<\/li><\/ol>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong>EXTENSIONS<\/strong><\/h4>\n\n\n\n<ol class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>Extension to 11112-20000 \u2013&nbsp;<a href=\"http:\/\/bit.ly\/2FAhWOP\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">https:\/\/doi.org\/10.5281\/zenodo.2543626<\/a>;<\/li><li>Extension to 20001-25000 \u2013&nbsp;<a href=\"http:\/\/bit.ly\/2qRfpGW\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Taneja-2<\/a>&nbsp;;<\/li><li>Extension to 25001-30000 \u2013&nbsp;<a href=\"http:\/\/bit.ly\/2PYrxE6\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Taneja-3.<\/a><\/li><li>Revised: 20001-3000: Crazy Representations of Natural Numbers From 20001 to 30000, Zenodo, February 3, 2019, pp. 1-276,&nbsp;<strong><a href=\"http:\/\/doi.org\/10.5281\/zenodo.2556036\">http:\/\/doi.org\/10.5281\/zenodo.2556036<\/a><\/strong>.<\/li><\/ol>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>FURTHER EXTENSIONS<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>By use of different operations,&nbsp;<strong>Bill Ames<\/strong>&nbsp;(<a href=\"http:\/\/bit.ly\/2yHz7cm\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">AMES1<\/a>,&nbsp;<a href=\"http:\/\/bit.ly\/Ames10958\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">AMES2<\/a>), recently, extended the above representations up to 1,111,111 in ascending orders of 1 to 9. The first link&nbsp;<a href=\"http:\/\/bit.ly\/2yHz7cm\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">AMES1<\/a>&nbsp;is YouTube v\u00eddeo, and the second link&nbsp;<a href=\"http:\/\/bit.ly\/Ames10958\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">AMES2<\/a>&nbsp;is txt file.<\/li><li>Also extension to small bases refer:<strong>T. WYLIE<\/strong>,&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/arxiv.org\/pdf\/1810.05070.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Crazy Sequential Representations of Numbers for Small Bases<\/a>.<\/li><li><strong>Anne E. Bras<\/strong>&nbsp;and&nbsp;<strong>V.H.J. van der Velden<\/strong>&nbsp;extended the results from \u2013 2147483647 up to 214748364 using only the basic operations. As the numbers increases the gaps also increases. For more details refer the following links:-&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/zenodo.org\/record\/1288822\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">https:\/\/zenodo.org\/record\/1288822<\/a><br>\u2013&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/zenodo.org\/record\/1288892\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">https:\/\/zenodo.org\/record\/1288892<\/a><br>\u2013&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/zenodo.org\/record\/1292115\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">https:\/\/zenodo.org\/record\/1292115<\/a><\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>For the results among 11112 to 30000 see the following link:&nbsp; &nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/zenodo.org\/record\/1998118\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">https:\/\/zenodo.org\/record\/1998118<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>More work from&nbsp;<strong>Anne E. Bras<\/strong>&nbsp;and&nbsp;<strong>V.H.J. van der Velden&nbsp;<\/strong>see the following links:<br>\u2013&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/zenodo.org\/record\/2276623\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">https:\/\/zenodo.org\/record\/2276623<\/a><br>\u2013&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/zenodo.org\/record\/2525823\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">https:\/\/zenodo.org\/record\/2525823<\/a><br>\u2013&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/zenodo.org\/record\/2530025\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">https:\/\/zenodo.org\/record\/2530025<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>More work from&nbsp;<strong>Anne E. Bras<\/strong>&nbsp;and&nbsp;<strong>V.H.J. van der Velden&nbsp;<\/strong>in different bases:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u2013&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/zenodo.org\/record\/2530974\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">https:\/\/zenodo.org\/record\/2530974<\/a>&nbsp;(= base 11, 0 up to AAAA, incomplete)<br>\u2013&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/zenodo.org\/record\/2530976\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">https:\/\/zenodo.org\/record\/2530976<\/a>&nbsp;(= base 12, 0 up to BBBB, incomplete)<br>\u2013&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/zenodo.org\/record\/2530978\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">https:\/\/zenodo.org\/record\/2530978<\/a>&nbsp;(= base 13, 0 up to CCCC, incomplete)<br>\u2013&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/zenodo.org\/record\/2530980\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">https:\/\/zenodo.org\/record\/2530980<\/a>&nbsp;(= base 14, 0 up to DDDD, incomplete)<br>\u2013&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/zenodo.org\/record\/2530982\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">https:\/\/zenodo.org\/record\/2530982<\/a>&nbsp;(= base 15, 0 up to EEEE, incomplete)<br>\u2013&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/zenodo.org\/record\/2530984\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">https:\/\/zenodo.org\/record\/2530984<\/a>&nbsp;(= base 16, 0 up to FFFF, complete)<br>\u2013&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/zenodo.org\/record\/2536047\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">https:\/\/zenodo.org\/record\/2536047<\/a>&nbsp;(= base 16, -FFFFF up to FFFFF, complete)<br>\u2013&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/zenodo.org\/record\/2531777\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">https:\/\/zenodo.org\/record\/2531777<\/a>&nbsp;(= base 11 up to 15, now all completed)<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In 2013-2014, author (click here) wrote natural numbers in increasing and decreasing orders of 1 to 9 using only&nbsp;basic operations. See below some examples: This work has been considered as&nbsp;\u201cImprobable Research\u201d. For details see the links: (i)&nbsp;&nbsp;http:\/\/www.improbable.com\/2013\/02\/12\/lots-of-numbers-plain-and-almost-simple\/;(ii)&nbsp;http:\/\/www.improbable.com\/2013\/06\/08\/lots-more-numbers-deemed-crazy-sequential\/ Also refer&nbsp;Nebus 1,&nbsp;Nebus 2&nbsp; for more comments. We observe that the number&nbsp;10958&nbsp;is the only number among 0 to [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":895,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"elementor_theme","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[4],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-893","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-crazy-numbers"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"https:\/\/numbers-magic.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/02\/Image-1.png","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/numbers-magic.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/893","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/numbers-magic.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/numbers-magic.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/numbers-magic.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/numbers-magic.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=893"}],"version-history":[{"count":2,"href":"https:\/\/numbers-magic.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/893\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":896,"href":"https:\/\/numbers-magic.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/893\/revisions\/896"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/numbers-magic.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/media\/895"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/numbers-magic.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=893"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/numbers-magic.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=893"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/numbers-magic.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=893"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}